Thursday, October 02, 2008

Where Did Homosexuality Originate From?

James Hartline, publisher of California Christian News and The James Hartline Report is in the process of writing an exciting series of books titled "The Chronicles of Sodom." There is great buzz among many religious circles as they
await the release of volume one of this revolutionary tale.

Among the subjects that will be covered are:
Where did homosexuality originate from?
What was the significance of the ancient city of Sodom and what moved God to judge and destroy that city among all of the cities on the earth at that time?
What are the consequences for mankind with regards to the prophetic word in the Bible which says in the last days prior to the Lord judging the earth and we enter into the 7 year tribulation period, that the ancient city of Sodom would rise again as will the demonic spirits that were housed in ancient Sodom?

Question: Where do you think homosexuality first originated? Who caused it and for what purpose?

Your opinions would be greatly appreciated.


Anonymous said...

“Where did homosexuality originate from?”

Homosexuals were created by God.

Homosexuals were created by God for the same reason that He created elephants, rabbits, mice, dinosaurs, snakes, and dolphins; he likes diversity.

Homosexuals were created by God for the same reason that He created mountains, plains, desserts, tidelands, and rolling foothills; he likes diversity.

Homosexuals were created by God for the same reason that He created blondes, redheads, blacks, whites, Indians, short people and tall people; he likes diversity.

God loves homosexuals for the same reason that He loves Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Pagans, and New Agers; he loves diversity.

His Son Jesus also loved everyone, “whosoever……”

Anonymous said...

Homosexuality is against God's creation work (Genesis 1:27), so we know that it can only originate from God's enemy, the evil one. Devil attacks everything that God has created or commanded us to do. But we believers are overcomers in the name of Jesus (1 John 5:4-5).

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James Hartline said...

To "Homosexuals were created by God" commentor:
What is the source from which you have formed this conclusion of yours?"

All good scientific research taught in higher academia will present this scholastic plan from which students will form their conclusions:
Before forming an opinion, one will gather accurate facts, analyze those facts and then form a published opinion from those facts.

Bias, which is oftentimes corrupt, first forms a conclusion without doing adequate research of available facts.

For example, you state that God created homosexuals. Firstly that wasn't the question. The question was "Where did HOMOSEXUALITY, not homosexuals, originate from?" It always important to stay on course rather than changing the subject of the question.
As you mentioned God, you have framed your response in a theological format. Thus, in terms of the science of theology, one of the courses from which students learn in college to adequately address such questions is a course in Systematic Theology, a course that I personally took when I went to Bible college.

Again, then, following normal and accepted scientific protocol: What sources did you first gather, study and then form your conclusion from, before forming said conclusion, that homosexuality orginated from God?

Mike Tidmus said...

Science of Theology?

That's a good one.

Theology does little other than attempt to subvert scientific inquiry.

Facts? Facts are meaningless to theologians, who resort to trotting out fairy tales as evidence to support their arguments.

Anonymous at 6:33 is a perfect example.

James Hartline said...

It's obvious Mr. Tidmus, that you know little, if anything, about the multitude of schools of higher learning who provide formal degrees in the science of theology. Because you don't believe in such studies, you choose to discount and discredit their legitimacy. And, your marginalized and intellectually inferior response has nothing to do with answering the question.

James Hartline said...

Mr. Tidmus, I warned you once before that your disrespect would only allowed once. Twice is goodbye. The rest of your insolent, immaterial and disrespectful comments have now been deleted.

Pastor Bill said...

Many people today have the false belief that the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality. Yet, homosexuality is nowhere to be found in Genisis or Judges or anywhere else in the Bible that makes reference to Sodom and Gomorrah.

Why then was Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed by God? We find the answer in Ezekiel 16:49-50:
“Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.”

Here we find the real reasons God destroyed Sodom. The people of Sodom were proud and arrogant. They had fullness of bread, i.e., they were self-indulgent. They had abundance of idleness and they were lazy. They assumed NO responsibility for poor people and had no social conscience. They were haughty or “stuck-up” with an attitude of superiority. Doesn’t this sound like a lot of people we know today, even some church people?

It is troubling to hear misguided people proclaim that the Sodomites were destroyed because they were homosexuals. This is far from the truth. The Sodomites were destroyed because of their exceedingly wicked treatment of human beings, not because they were homosexuals. There is little to suggest that they were even homosexuals. Why did Lot offer his daughters to the men if they were homosexuals? Condemning homosexuality is a clever way of gaining followers, for by condemning the few, the many feel justified.

James Hartline said...

Once again, the question is where did homosexuality originate from. You are too busy trying to push the radical homosexual propaganda of denying the sin of homosexuality, which was dominating the sexual activities of Sodom and the other four cities of the Valley of Sidim, to answer the question at hand. You see, that is what exposes your manipulation. You can't answer the question, because you are too busy sticking to the bogus gay agenda script, which is quite easy to refute. From the Book of Jude and many other books. But that is for another discussion. If you can't answer the question than just say so, so you can learn from others instead of coming forth with a closed mind and your erroneous propaganda. It is time for you to learn, instead of manipulating for someone else's agenda.

Anonymous said...

James wrote, “Where do you think homosexuality first originated? Who caused it and for what purpose?

Homosexuality seems to be simply an inherent aspect of human nature developed through the evolutionary process. There have always been homosexuals in human society, and they seem to have fulfilled a number of social functions, not least of which was as shamans, priests, mystics, and sages, as well as diplomats and civil officials.

In the book Biological Exuberance, Bruce Bagemihl proposes that the possibility of homosexual orientation is necessary for the diversity and evolutionary variation that has resulted in life. And, he shows, is an inherent aspect of the lives of animals of all sorts of species all over the Earth.
Homosexuality seems to appear in some animals as a response to crowding. When there isn't enough room for an animal colony to expand, the reproductive drive in the individual animals shifts away from reproduction to service to the existing colony. Homosexuality is, at least, a possible reproductive strategy for controlling population.

As human beings developed consciousness and complex intelligence, the presence of extra adults in the family to act as surrogate or additional parents provided greater stimulation for children. That is, homosexual uncles and lesbian aunts may have given offspring in the tribe a richer experience and better education. Gay people may exist primarily to be teachers and guides.

In modern human society, gay people demonstrate that 1) people don't have to reproduce and raise children to lead fulfilled and contributing lives and 2) the blending of masculine and feminine traits results in more pleasing personalities and cooperative characteristics in humans than the division of traits.

These are just some ideas. At this point in time, nobody can say with assurance what caused homosexuality. We can speculate based on what scientific knowledge we have but there is still much to be researched. As a final thought, what difference does it make what the cause of homosexuality is?

Anonymous said...

pastor bill, I have to totally disagree with the statement that sodom and gomorrah were not destroyed because of homo sexuality. It was just one of the many reasons and the reason why lot offered his daughters to the men was because they wanted to have sex with the two angles that were in lots home. Please read Genesis 19:5-11 Dude, you really know how to jumble up scripture, please tell me you are not an actual pastor..

nicole said...

God cast Sataon out of heaven and God's plan for man was to be fruitful and multiply. Satan is upset with God and wants to get back at him. What better way than through homosexuality. If everyone is homosexual how can we multiply?

James Smith said...

its also said that "not all trees will bare fruit, ie not all women or men will be able to have a child."

Cheryl said...

Homosexuality's roots are in sin. Where did homosexuality originate? In sin, and for those who argue that people are born with homosexual tendencies, I would agree because as King David said in Psalm 51:5 (NLT) - "For I was born a sinner - yes, from the moment my mother conceived me."

Anonymous said...

It is quite clear where homosexuality was seeded. It was in the Garden of Eden. Think about it. If Satan influenced Eve in the beginning to eat the fruit, wouldn't it be just as simple to do the same with homosexuality? Not to say that it specifically happened in the Garden, but it would be beyond simple for Satan to begin to make something or someone appealing to another person.
It is black and white. Dark and light. God created man and woman, Satan whispers to man that man is a better companion, and one day a man bites the bate. It is the same as if Satan influenced someone to be selfish while others would abide by God to be unselfish. Satan has been trying to be God since the beginning of existance, so is it completely unheard of to assume that he is attempting at playing God wilst trying to manipulate and destroy all of mankind? At least I don't believe so. But I wouldn't be surprised that Homosexuality occured after a short time the Earth was created. It is too big of a snowball to not have started really early in the beggining of man, because christians find it hard to agree on the subject which creates an illusion to non-Christians that we aren't a legitamate religion, and that we all are just going insane with our own ideas and that we can't be knowledgable because we have no idea which was is up ourselves...what if that was what was in the itinerary to begin with?

James Hartline said...

Please elaborate further on what you just wrote homosexuality being started in the garden of Eden. I'm very interested in your thoughts behind your post and the reasoning for your conclusion as you posted it.

Anonymous said...

God loves homosexuals the people but not their sin. I believe in what anonymous said 8:48. The devil always wanted to be creater but he's not , god is. So whatever god says not to do the devil says otherwise. God says homosexuals, thieves, liars will not go to heaven look it up on genesis. God may have created people who are homosexuals but he did not create homosexuality nor does he accept it for it is worldly things.

Jenny Melendez said...

Mankind is in rebellion to a holy God. Man decided that he wanted to be his own God. God became a man to die for the sin of mankind, not so we could continue in rebellion. Jesus said unless you all repent you will all perish. Repent means to turn away from that sin, have a change of heart and mind. God loves people but unless we repent people will end up in hell along with the sin they embrace. Jesus is radical and does not leave a person unchanged once you experience His holiness.

Jenny Melendez said...

Wow, for a pastor you sure are leading your flock to hell. What ever happened to rightly dividing the word of truth? 2 Timothy 2:15. You fail to acknowledge the many other passages about sodom on top of what Genesis says.
" and they called to Lot an said where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out so we can have sex with them." In verse 19:9 they said to Lot stand aside, this one came as an alien and now he is acting like a judge". Basically don't judge us.
In 2 peter 2:7 " and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct ( aselgeia #766 is debauchery, perversion) of unpricipled men. Don't say that God didn't have any reference to homosexual sin. Pride just happens to go with that sin because it is satanic at the core. An inversion of God's natural order. Satan fell because of pride. Furthermore God warns all over the Bible that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven, neither will any other sin on the vice list. One must repent Of all sin. How can you being a pastor lie before God. Do you not fear God? You will be more accountable for the teaching you give. Jude 1:7
Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in THE SAME WAY, as these indulged on gross immorality( exporneo; give self over to fornication with men, unchaste) and went after STRANGE FLESH are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. Yet IN THE SAME MANNER these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh and reject authority and revile angelic majesties". It is so clear, yet men love praise from men rather than God. John 12:43
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness and sweet for bitter and bitter for sweet. Isaiah 5:20. If you care about people you won't pat them on the back as they go to hell. Be real, Jesus spoke more about hell than any other topic, why? Because He doesn't want people to go there. He went through great lengths to keep people from there and shed His blood. Yet pastors like to dull the sword of God's word and have made a grave tragedy for many.